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		<title>By: Don</title>
		<link>http://saltypeanutgallery.com/2007/10/18/an-inconvenient-reality/comment-page-1/#comment-53</link>
		<dc:creator>Don</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2008 07:04:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David,

Do you mean to say then that the creator of the universe is somehow incapable of preserving and sustaining His creation? Is that what you believe? Here’s what scripture has to say:

Nehemiah 9:6 “You alone are the LORD; You have made heaven, The heaven of heavens, with all their host, The earth and everything on it, The seas and all that is in them, And You preserve them all. The host of heaven worships You.”
Psalm 103:19 The LORD has established His throne in heaven, And His kingdom rules over all.”
Colossians 1:17 “And He is before all things, and in Him all things consist.”
Acts 17:28 “for in Him we live and move and have our being…”
Ephesians 1:11 “In Him also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestined according to the purpose of Him who works all things according to the counsel of His will.”

The Bible teaches that God is sovereign, possessing absolute authority over the universe to do whatever He wills. Nothing occurs or exists apart from His will and power. God may have rested on the seventh day after completing His creation, nonetheless, He continues to uphold the universe and all that is in it. I simply cannot believe that finite man has it within his capability to thwart God’s authority when it comes to maintaining His creation. I think you’ll be hard pressed to defend such an argument form scripture.

As for the broad consensus among scientists, while it may be undeniable that climate change is happening, what’s not so clear is the cause. The fact of the matter is that there simply aren’t enough facts to make a clear determination. Scientists can’t realistically say with any degree of certainty what’s causing it or if it’s even permanent. There simply isn’t enough reliable data. That said it is grossly irresponsible for anyone to draw any kind of credible conclusion from such limited information. And let’s be clear. There are at least as many members of the scientific community who do not necessarily agree that the industrial revolution is a big part of climate change. Despite what Mr. Gore may tell you, it simply is not a given.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David,</p>
<p>Do you mean to say then that the creator of the universe is somehow incapable of preserving and sustaining His creation? Is that what you believe? Here’s what scripture has to say:</p>
<p>Nehemiah 9:6 “You alone are the LORD; You have made heaven, The heaven of heavens, with all their host, The earth and everything on it, The seas and all that is in them, And You preserve them all. The host of heaven worships You.”<br />
Psalm 103:19 The LORD has established His throne in heaven, And His kingdom rules over all.”<br />
Colossians 1:17 “And He is before all things, and in Him all things consist.”<br />
Acts 17:28 “for in Him we live and move and have our being…”<br />
Ephesians 1:11 “In Him also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestined according to the purpose of Him who works all things according to the counsel of His will.”</p>
<p>The Bible teaches that God is sovereign, possessing absolute authority over the universe to do whatever He wills. Nothing occurs or exists apart from His will and power. God may have rested on the seventh day after completing His creation, nonetheless, He continues to uphold the universe and all that is in it. I simply cannot believe that finite man has it within his capability to thwart God’s authority when it comes to maintaining His creation. I think you’ll be hard pressed to defend such an argument form scripture.</p>
<p>As for the broad consensus among scientists, while it may be undeniable that climate change is happening, what’s not so clear is the cause. The fact of the matter is that there simply aren’t enough facts to make a clear determination. Scientists can’t realistically say with any degree of certainty what’s causing it or if it’s even permanent. There simply isn’t enough reliable data. That said it is grossly irresponsible for anyone to draw any kind of credible conclusion from such limited information. And let’s be clear. There are at least as many members of the scientific community who do not necessarily agree that the industrial revolution is a big part of climate change. Despite what Mr. Gore may tell you, it simply is not a given.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
		<link>http://saltypeanutgallery.com/2007/10/18/an-inconvenient-reality/comment-page-1/#comment-52</link>
		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jan 2008 01:09:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don,
Well we agree about some things, but I guess I still am not comfortable with the way you put two issues here.  So here are my quibbles for what they are worth. 


I have heard some scientists express reservations that some findings have been overstated.  But there is a broad consensus among scientists that climate change is happening and that the industrial revolution is a big part of that.  How reversible the consequences is more debated. The science that shows we are in growing danger is 
&quot;there’s an overwhelming atheistic mindset that seems to permeate environmentalism today.&quot;
Yes, there are atheist scientists, God bless them, who think it is scientific not to believe in God!  I don&#039;t know that I could say it was &quot;overwhelming.&quot; Many scientists recognize that religion and science are not at odds, and not a few have become open to faith through contemplating their science.

The second issue is about the will of God, particularly whether God would allow us to do our environment in. I don&#039;t know if we can say he wouldn&#039;t.  What if we brought life on earth to a premature end? God permits humans to do to themselves and to each other things that are not what God wants to happen.  God wills our freedom, along with desiring that we will use that freedom in ways that will be good. God doesn&#039;t it take freedom away just because it looks we will misuse it. But that means I cannot say that if someone shoots themselves or someone else (and God allows it to happen) that, &quot;Oh well, God must have wanted him to commit suicide.&quot; or &quot;They will surely will not die before God wants them to.&quot; 

 The way God created the world, how the story unfolds is not totally predetermined but leaves room for what we do with the freedom God chose to give us. There is room for real tragedy in this world. 

God will redeem and save. I believe there will be a new heaven and a new earth. But how big the messes we make with this one is in part on our shoulders and God will hold us accountable.  God forgives but we should not sin the more in order to give him more to forgive. ( Romans 6)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don,<br />
Well we agree about some things, but I guess I still am not comfortable with the way you put two issues here.  So here are my quibbles for what they are worth. </p>
<p>I have heard some scientists express reservations that some findings have been overstated.  But there is a broad consensus among scientists that climate change is happening and that the industrial revolution is a big part of that.  How reversible the consequences is more debated. The science that shows we are in growing danger is<br />
&#8220;there’s an overwhelming atheistic mindset that seems to permeate environmentalism today.&#8221;<br />
Yes, there are atheist scientists, God bless them, who think it is scientific not to believe in God!  I don&#8217;t know that I could say it was &#8220;overwhelming.&#8221; Many scientists recognize that religion and science are not at odds, and not a few have become open to faith through contemplating their science.</p>
<p>The second issue is about the will of God, particularly whether God would allow us to do our environment in. I don&#8217;t know if we can say he wouldn&#8217;t.  What if we brought life on earth to a premature end? God permits humans to do to themselves and to each other things that are not what God wants to happen.  God wills our freedom, along with desiring that we will use that freedom in ways that will be good. God doesn&#8217;t it take freedom away just because it looks we will misuse it. But that means I cannot say that if someone shoots themselves or someone else (and God allows it to happen) that, &#8220;Oh well, God must have wanted him to commit suicide.&#8221; or &#8220;They will surely will not die before God wants them to.&#8221; </p>
<p> The way God created the world, how the story unfolds is not totally predetermined but leaves room for what we do with the freedom God chose to give us. There is room for real tragedy in this world. </p>
<p>God will redeem and save. I believe there will be a new heaven and a new earth. But how big the messes we make with this one is in part on our shoulders and God will hold us accountable.  God forgives but we should not sin the more in order to give him more to forgive. ( Romans 6)</p>
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		<title>By: Don</title>
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		<dc:creator>Don</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jan 2008 00:15:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David,

     You&#039;re exactly right that environmental ethics is Biblical. I agree that it&#039;s not simply a matter of political correctness. Man has been given responsibility to be a good steward of God&#039;s creation. I&#039;m all for that. There&#039;s no argument here.
     My problem though is this. First off there&#039;s an overwhelming atheistic mindset that seems to permeate environmentalism today. In order to convince us of the need to save the planet, we&#039;re told that unless we dramatically change our lifestyles we will face global destruction. I simply disagree. I don&#039;t believe God will allow that to happen until He&#039;s good and ready. And when He is ready to destroy the world (and the scripture says He will) there&#039;s not a thing in the world that you nor I can do to stop it.
     Secondly, I think it&#039;s utterly shameful the way environmentalists get a pass when it comes to the truth. Apparently it&#039;s okay to cite error and use faulty science in order to scare people into conserving  planetary resources. That&#039;s what I mean by an inconvenient reality. You want to talk environmental ethics? Good, let&#039;s talk. But let&#039;s at least have the decency to do it truthfully using factual and provable information without fear mongering. That&#039;s all I&#039;m asking.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David,</p>
<p>     You&#8217;re exactly right that environmental ethics is Biblical. I agree that it&#8217;s not simply a matter of political correctness. Man has been given responsibility to be a good steward of God&#8217;s creation. I&#8217;m all for that. There&#8217;s no argument here.<br />
     My problem though is this. First off there&#8217;s an overwhelming atheistic mindset that seems to permeate environmentalism today. In order to convince us of the need to save the planet, we&#8217;re told that unless we dramatically change our lifestyles we will face global destruction. I simply disagree. I don&#8217;t believe God will allow that to happen until He&#8217;s good and ready. And when He is ready to destroy the world (and the scripture says He will) there&#8217;s not a thing in the world that you nor I can do to stop it.<br />
     Secondly, I think it&#8217;s utterly shameful the way environmentalists get a pass when it comes to the truth. Apparently it&#8217;s okay to cite error and use faulty science in order to scare people into conserving  planetary resources. That&#8217;s what I mean by an inconvenient reality. You want to talk environmental ethics? Good, let&#8217;s talk. But let&#8217;s at least have the decency to do it truthfully using factual and provable information without fear mongering. That&#8217;s all I&#8217;m asking.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
		<link>http://saltypeanutgallery.com/2007/10/18/an-inconvenient-reality/comment-page-1/#comment-50</link>
		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jan 2008 22:19:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don,
You have an attractive site with interesting comments, but I wanted to say,&quot;Wait a minute&quot; when I got to your contribution about Gore and the Nobel Peace prize.

I don&#039;t think it is fair to say concern for the environmental crisis is tantamount to &quot;worshiping the environment or that getting alarmed about human damage to the ecosystems is incompatible with a belief in God&#039;s providence.   
Scriptures depict God putting humans in charge of a lot, and as a result making sometimes some monumental messes.  God left it up to humans whether they ate of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. They did and God is still trying to redeem us from the mess that caused. The first command of God was to tend the world and to shepherd the life here. (As Genesis tells it this originally did not even allow humans the right over eating another animal. The kind of care we were instructed was not exploitation.)  
The issue is not whether environmental ethics is politically correct  (as you say it is for liberals) or politically incorrect (as it seems to be for some conservatives), concern about damage to the environment is just plain Biblical.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don,<br />
You have an attractive site with interesting comments, but I wanted to say,&#8221;Wait a minute&#8221; when I got to your contribution about Gore and the Nobel Peace prize.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think it is fair to say concern for the environmental crisis is tantamount to &#8220;worshiping the environment or that getting alarmed about human damage to the ecosystems is incompatible with a belief in God&#8217;s providence.<br />
Scriptures depict God putting humans in charge of a lot, and as a result making sometimes some monumental messes.  God left it up to humans whether they ate of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. They did and God is still trying to redeem us from the mess that caused. The first command of God was to tend the world and to shepherd the life here. (As Genesis tells it this originally did not even allow humans the right over eating another animal. The kind of care we were instructed was not exploitation.)<br />
The issue is not whether environmental ethics is politically correct  (as you say it is for liberals) or politically incorrect (as it seems to be for some conservatives), concern about damage to the environment is just plain Biblical.</p>
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		<title>By: Don</title>
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		<dc:creator>Don</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Oct 2007 02:38:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeff,

Thanks for stopping by. Ya, it would seem that the Nobel Prize has become a champion for liberalism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff,</p>
<p>Thanks for stopping by. Ya, it would seem that the Nobel Prize has become a champion for liberalism.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Oct 2007 13:41:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Don

Like the site.  BTW it should come as any surprise that someone who is a raging liberal got the Nobel Peace Prize.  Look a couple of previous recipeints:  Jimmy Carter - Peace?  Maybe between Egypt and Isreal, but did everybody forget about Iran?
Gorbechov:  Gimme a break.  He didn&#039;t have any choice.  His country was in shambles because of the moral corruption of Communism.  This one should have gone to Ronald Reagan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Don</p>
<p>Like the site.  BTW it should come as any surprise that someone who is a raging liberal got the Nobel Peace Prize.  Look a couple of previous recipeints:  Jimmy Carter &#8211; Peace?  Maybe between Egypt and Isreal, but did everybody forget about Iran?<br />
Gorbechov:  Gimme a break.  He didn&#8217;t have any choice.  His country was in shambles because of the moral corruption of Communism.  This one should have gone to Ronald Reagan.</p>
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